diff --git a/folderstorage.cpp b/folderstorage.cpp
index 913f883e7..02f4ce379 100644
--- a/folderstorage.cpp
+++ b/folderstorage.cpp
@@ -84,6 +84,8 @@ FolderStorage::FolderStorage( KMFolder* folder, const char* aName )
 
   mHasChildren = HasNoChildren;
   mContentsType = KMail::ContentsTypeMail;
+ 
+  connect(this, SIGNAL(closed(KMFolder*)), mFolder, SIGNAL(closed()));  
 }
 
 //-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
@@ -627,7 +629,7 @@ int FolderStorage::rename(const QString& newName, KMFolderDir *newParent)
   QString oldLoc, oldIndexLoc, oldIdsLoc, newLoc, newIndexLoc, newIdsLoc;
   QString oldSubDirLoc, newSubDirLoc;
   QString oldName;
-  int rc=0, openCount=mOpenCount;
+  int rc=0;
   KMFolderDir *oldParent;
 
   assert(!newName.isEmpty());
@@ -697,11 +699,6 @@ int FolderStorage::rename(const QString& newName, KMFolderDir *newParent)
     }
   }
 
-  if (openCount > 0)
-  {
-    open("rename");
-    mOpenCount = openCount;
-  }
   writeConfig();
 
   // delete the old entry as we get two entries with the same ID otherwise
@@ -711,6 +708,7 @@ int FolderStorage::rename(const QString& newName, KMFolderDir *newParent)
   emit locationChanged( oldLoc, newLoc );
   emit nameChanged();
   kmkernel->folderMgr()->contentsChanged();
+  emit closed(folder()); // let the ticket owners regain
   return rc;
 }
 
@@ -738,6 +736,7 @@ void FolderStorage::remove()
   KConfig* config = KMKernel::config();
   config->deleteGroup( "Folder-" + folder()->idString() );
 
+  emit closed(folder());
   emit removed(folder(), (rc ? false : true));
 }
 
@@ -745,8 +744,6 @@ void FolderStorage::remove()
 //-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 int FolderStorage::expunge()
 {
-  int openCount = mOpenCount;
-
   assert(!folder()->name().isEmpty());
 
   clearIndex( true, mExportsSernums );   // delete and remove from dict, if needed
@@ -764,12 +761,6 @@ int FolderStorage::expunge()
   mDirty = false;
   needsCompact = false; //we're cleared and truncated no need to compact
 
-  if (openCount > 0)
-  {
-    open("expunge");
-    mOpenCount = openCount;
-  }
-
   mUnreadMsgs = 0;
   mTotalMsgs = 0;
   emit numUnreadMsgsChanged( folder() );
diff --git a/folderstorage.h b/folderstorage.h
index 8f7dcfc94..8ac637cbc 100644
--- a/folderstorage.h
+++ b/folderstorage.h
@@ -421,6 +421,9 @@ signals:
       emmitted first. */
   void expunged( KMFolder* );
 
+  /** Emitted when the folder was closed and ticket owners have to reopen */
+  void closed( KMFolder* );
+  
   /** Emitted when the serial numbers of this folder were invalidated. */
   void invalidated( KMFolder * );
   
diff --git a/kmfolder.cpp b/kmfolder.cpp
index f094653a2..513b4974b 100644
--- a/kmfolder.cpp
+++ b/kmfolder.cpp
@@ -481,6 +481,7 @@ int KMFolder::canAccess()
 
 void KMFolder::close( const char *owner, bool force )
 {
+  // do not emit closed() in here - as this would regain too early
   mStorage->close( owner, force );
 }
 
diff --git a/kmfolder.h b/kmfolder.h
index 33516bfca..422bb0b9b 100644
--- a/kmfolder.h
+++ b/kmfolder.h
@@ -540,6 +540,10 @@ signals:
     folder changed. */
   void changed();
 
+  /** Emitted when the folder is closed for real - ticket holders should
+   * discard any messages */
+  void closed();
+
   /** Emitted when the contents of a folder have been cleared
      (new search in a search folder, for example) */
   void cleared();
diff --git a/kmfoldermbox.cpp b/kmfoldermbox.cpp
index 3a53f9b6d..e2dd9893b 100644
--- a/kmfoldermbox.cpp
+++ b/kmfoldermbox.cpp
@@ -264,7 +264,7 @@ void KMFolderMbox::close(const char *owner, bool aForced)
   if (mOpenCount <= 0 || !mStream) { mOpenCount = 0; return; }
   if (mOpenCount > 0) mOpenCount--;
   if (mOpenCount > 0 && !aForced) { assert(mStream); return; }
-  
+
 #if 0 // removed hack that prevented closing system folders (see kmail-devel discussion about mail expiring)
   if ( (folder() != kmkernel->inboxFolder())
         && folder()->isSystemFolder() && !aForced )
@@ -1269,17 +1269,11 @@ int KMFolderMbox::compact( bool silent )
 {
   // This is called only when the user explicitely requests compaction,
   // so we don't check needsCompact.
-  int openCount = mOpenCount;
 
   KMail::MboxCompactionJob* job = new KMail::MboxCompactionJob( folder(), true /*immediate*/ );
   int rc = job->executeNow( silent );
   // Note that job autodeletes itself.
 
-  if (openCount > 0)
-  {
-    open("mboxcompact");
-    mOpenCount = openCount;
-  }
   // If this is the current folder, the changed signal will ultimately call
   // KMHeaders::setFolderInfoStatus which will override the message, so save/restore it
   QString statusMsg = BroadcastStatus::instance()->statusMsg();
diff --git a/kmheaders.cpp b/kmheaders.cpp
index 7a3338a72..8d602d63b 100644
--- a/kmheaders.cpp
+++ b/kmheaders.cpp
@@ -673,6 +673,8 @@ void KMHeaders::setFolder( KMFolder *aFolder, bool forceJumpToUnread )
                  this, SLOT(folderCleared()));
       disconnect(mFolder, SIGNAL(expunged( KMFolder* )),
                  this, SLOT(folderCleared()));
+      disconnect(mFolder, SIGNAL(closed()),
+                 this, SLOT(folderClosed()));
       disconnect( mFolder, SIGNAL( statusMsg( const QString& ) ),
                   BroadcastStatus::instance(), SLOT( setStatusMsg( const QString& ) ) );
       disconnect(mFolder, SIGNAL(viewConfigChanged()), this, SLOT(reset()));
@@ -706,6 +708,8 @@ void KMHeaders::setFolder( KMFolder *aFolder, bool forceJumpToUnread )
               this, SLOT(folderCleared()));
       connect(mFolder, SIGNAL(expunged( KMFolder* )),
                  this, SLOT(folderCleared()));
+      connect(mFolder, SIGNAL(closed()),
+                 this, SLOT(folderClosed()));
       connect(mFolder, SIGNAL(statusMsg(const QString&)),
               BroadcastStatus::instance(), SLOT( setStatusMsg( const QString& ) ) );
       connect(mFolder, SIGNAL(numUnreadMsgsChanged(KMFolder*)),
@@ -2562,6 +2566,13 @@ void KMHeaders::folderCleared()
     emit selected(0);
 }
 
+
+void KMHeaders::folderClosed()
+{
+    mFolder->open( "kmheaders" );
+    folderCleared();
+}
+
 bool KMHeaders::writeSortOrder()
 {
   QString sortFile = KMAIL_SORT_FILE(mFolder);
diff --git a/kmheaders.h b/kmheaders.h
index 2928d0f22..c6e294751 100644
--- a/kmheaders.h
+++ b/kmheaders.h
@@ -221,6 +221,8 @@ public slots:
   void msgChanged();
   /** For when the folder has been cleared */
   void folderCleared();
+  /** For when the folder has been cleared */
+  void folderClosed();
   /** For when the message with the given message id has been added to a folder */
   void msgAdded(int);
   /** For when the message with the given id has been removed for a folder */